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Posted By namecritic 9 months, 4 weeks ago in SportsIf the cheaters can get into the baseball hall of Fame, why not Pete Rose?
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contentmanager9 months, 4 weeks ago
Clinton cheated on his wife and did not inhale.
Bush maybe snorted cocaine one time.
We let these guys be presidents of the United States. So, why do we care is baseball players are doping to get their records?
The whole story goes to a deeper question. Does it matter if someone smoked pot when they were in their twenties. Is that a reason to prevent them success later in life?
If I smoke cigarettes, does that preclude me from getting baseball records, because I am addicted to nicotine? Should it prevent me from political ambition? If I gamble on sports, should I be prevented from earning a living? What if I took steroids? Does that mean that I should not be given a chance to make a lot of money doing what I love?
In most cases, these are things that are not illegal, except within baseball.
Yes, give Pete his awards. Give them to Bonds too. Because if Clinton and Bush can get a pass, the rest of us should be able to get a pass as well.
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cowboygrandpa9 months, 4 weeks ago
contentmanager:
Sorry. No sale here. Pete Rose yes. He gambled on his own team to win. Wrong, but not cheating his team or baseball. He has served more time for that than he should have. Anyone who ever saw "Charley Hustle" play when he was younger knows this guy was an old school player. He played the game the way it should be played. He ran to first base on walks allowing himself to be able to advance should the catcher or pitcher misplay the routine return throw from the catcher. He gave it everything he had. Yes he gambled when he was a manager. His feats as a player warrant him being in the HOF.
Not so with drug enhanced performances of the others. Cheaters and liars all of them. If you let them in you better put shoeless Joe in as well. Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens,Mark McGwire... Noooooooooo!!!!!!
Although they have both become tainted it sickens me to see sports compared to politics.
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1-2-Oscar9 months, 4 weeks ago
Your logic is a bit loopy. "Because if Clinton and Bush can get a pass, the rest of us should be able to get a pass as well." You might as well say that, because OJ walked free, no one should ever again be punished for murder. Or "If the rules fail to produce justice once, then we should do away with the rules entirely."
I can't buy that sort of thinking. Pete Rose knew the rules, and he chose to violate them--an act of free will. According to the rules of baseball, he was thereupon banned for life. Now you are arguing because of the improper actions of others, Pete Rose's punishment should be rescinded. I contend that what others did or did not do has no bearing on Mr. Rose's case--he should be judged, within the context of the rules of baseball, on what he did, not what Barry or Mark or Roger did.
I'll be happy to see Mr. Rose enshrined at Cooperstown--the day after his funeral.
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namecritic9 months, 4 weeks ago
Your logic doesn't work. The steroid users violated rules as players. Pete Rose did not. Pete Rose is being blocked from the hall of fame for soemthing he did after his career as a player.
If they are not going to punish active players who break the rules and allow them into the hall of fame then the league should be consistant in it's rulings.
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cowboygrandpa9 months, 3 weeks ago
Lets remove Ty Cobb then. He was a drunken racist who tried to shoot a man. Not worthy of the HOF.
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cowboygrandpa9 months, 4 weeks ago
slate:
Yeah, right next to the latrine where they belong. We could call it the Fake hall of fame. Or the hall of shame. Put their stats behinds bars to show how criminal the fake stats are.
texangelwings: You are right. Roger certainly belongs in the HOF.
Also in my eyes Bad Henry still holds the real home run all time record. Hammerin' Hank is stiil the home run king.
Barry is the cheater wanna be home run leader. No class no style, all lies and deceit just like his statistics.
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nonparted9 months, 4 weeks ago
should charley hussle be in the hall of fame?
yes! its what you do and achieve on the field that gets you nominated and accepted into the hall of fame not for what you did off it.
sure he gambled so does millions of people in America. he was a hard nose player and i believe he has so much love for the game to bet on the team he was managing at the time.
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NelsonR9 months, 4 weeks ago
If Bush is in the White House and remains why anything goes. Why discriminate, all cheats, crooks and thieves inhabit our world and are accepted. Keep things as is.
Pete epitomizes our society like Baker, Haggard, CEOs, bankers, you get the message. We live in a corrupt society thats accepts and condones all. Merry Christmas.
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cowboygrandpa9 months, 4 weeks ago
namecritic:
Thanks for the story and heads up.
Merry Christmas and a Joyous New Year To one and all.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin9 months, 4 weeks ago
funny thing is, michael jordan did the exact same thing, bet on his team to win, as pete rose did
both admitted it
but with jordan, no one seemed to care
the difference was baseball history, and the NBA knew who buttered their bread
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin9 months, 4 weeks ago
about the steroids thing and asterisks and no hall of fame
I know what they did was voluntary. no one made them take steroids to get an edge over the guys following the rules
but consider all the pre-1947 MLB players in the Hall, and ask yourself what was a bigger advantage, taking steroids, or having at least half the best pitchers and hitters excluded from your league?
The last guy to hit .400 did it in 1941, against all white players. Since they opened the major leagues in 1947, no one has. And the funny thing is the strike zone used to be HUGE, the mound was higher, and throwing at hitters was common practice. The pitchers had more advantages.
just some random thoughts
and frankly if Pete Rose doesn't belong in the Hall, nobody does. Character? Some of those old time players were card carrying KKK members. Guys like Cap Anson refused to even play in an exhibition game with dark-skinned players.
Pete Rose was a force of nature on the diamond. period
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namecritic9 months, 4 weeks ago
well made points! But now stadiums are smaller so there are more home runs and steroids helped them even more. I think the commissioner of baseball chose to ignore it so they could fill the seats.
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namecritic9 months, 4 weeks ago
My biggest point was that what rose did was as a manager. he should be in the hall of fame for what he did as a player and he didn't bet, or we don't know he bet on games when he was a player.
it's like saying that we are going to wait until a player is dead before they are inducted into the hall of fame and review everything they did for their entire life after baseball before we make the decision to induct them.
The decision should be based on what he did as a player during his career.
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namecritic9 months, 4 weeks ago
I agree 100%. I hear them on ESPN crying and saying that these poor baseball players were sort of duped into taking steroids and that they should be inducted into the hall of fame anyway and no asterisks.
Then put pete rose in and make the statement that we don't care if you cheat, you can be in the hall of fame anyway.
Or leave rose out and leave the steroid cheaters out too. Be consistant either way.
If they choose way #1, then we can all relax knowing the hall of fame means absolutely nothing.
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beckysfriend9 months, 4 weeks ago
put pete rose in the hall of fame. he was one of the greatest players in the game. he always gave 110 per cent. while i don't care much for his gambling, i know very few of us live life at 110 per cent. i have a great admiration for the way rose played the game. he is a hall of famer.
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BronxBomber9 months, 3 weeks ago
Hey KiA! There's even pitchers who've used 'spitters' to win ballgames yet they are in the HOF. Fine paragons of virtue aren't they?
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rdy2rck9 months, 4 weeks ago
AMEN!!!I was there when he broke the all time hit record.WOW, and "Johnny Hustle" spent a VERY long career without scandals like steroids,drugs,sex,arrests.
With such a LOOOONNNNG investigation there has NEVER been any hint of gambling before or during this remarkable achievement so give him his reward and baseballs legend.
I met Pete and talked for several minutes. He is not a TV star and imagine can be bullheaded and come across as contrary, but he always had times for us fans.
It boils down to his personality and gruffness ticked somebody important off and they're exacting revenge.
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ClifWest9 months, 3 weeks ago
Pete Rose fans have already put him in the Hall of Fame, if not officially, in their minds, so its a done deal for them.
It is ironic that so many people are against the death penalty because there is always a remote chance that the criminal will ultimately be found to be innocent after twenty or thirty years, yet so many want Pete Rose to remain buried forever. He broke the rules. He wasn't the first and he won't be the last. We don't live in a perfect world and never will. The decision should be made by his peers and the sport itself, not the general public. We don't do that very well, do we?
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KYRed9 months, 3 weeks ago
Hell, Clinton is a draft dodger who was actually drafted, and you're mad at Bush who played by the rules at the time. His absences were excused and he made up the time. Perfectly legal in the military system. Okay. That's out of the way. Pete bet that his team would win. What the hell? Why should that be against the rules? Hell, I would always bet my team would win too and work hard to make it happen, legally within the game rules. Put Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame!! Pete Rose bet on games. Mickey Mantle womanized and drank until his liver gave out. Then they put him at the top of the list of transplant receivers and died anyway, probably allowing someone else to die that could have had a better chance of survival. And Mickey Mantle is in the Hall of Fame.
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contentmanager9 months, 3 weeks ago
First off, sports is not something that gets my goat like you folks. Baseball to me is as important as that zit I had last week. ;-)
But, here is the deal. Do we know for sure that good ole' Hank Aaron did not take steroids to enhance his performance? No, we don't, because steroids weren't illegal in baseball at that time to my knowledge, and the league never tested him to ensure that he did not also need an asterisk.
What about the Babe? Did anyone test him for steroids? I doubt it.
When it was out of sight, out of mind, no one cared. But now steroid use is in our face, so now we care about asterisks.
Somebody said, well "he lied." Of course, none of the rest of us have ever told a lie. Right? Good for us.
He who is without sin, should cast the first stone... Even if that stone looks like an asterisk.
If anyone here has ever gambled on baseball, then they have no room to criticize Pete. To my knowledge, he never bet on his own team, he just bet on the game.
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HannibalBarca9 months, 3 weeks ago
Some time around the Jurassic era I believe, T-Rex was a Raptor on them
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contentmanager9 months, 3 weeks ago
Steroids are natural in plants, animals and humans. They take form in the human body as estrogen and testosterone.
Anabolic steroids were created in the 1930's and introduced to American sports in 1958. They are a controlled substance in that one is supposed to have doctor's prescription in order to obtain them.
Doping has been going on in public competition since the Greeks and the Romans. It was acceptable practice then, just as it was for many years here in the States. According to Paul Lowe, formerly of the San Diego Chargers, the Chargers camp gave anabolic steroids out like candy at lunch, and even suggested that failure to take the drug would result in club fines.
A poll of 1972 Olympic contenders indicated that 61% had taken anabolic steroids in the 6 months previous. Prior to anabolic steroids, there were other performance enhancing drugs.
MLB was the last sports organization to get into drug testing, but they did not start until after Mark McGwire set his record.
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namecritic9 months, 3 weeks ago
well the term "performance enhancing substances" is the right term, not steroids like I said in the post. I should have used the other term.
That means as long as their has been cocaine, meth, pills, etc. there have been "performance enhancing substances.
Can't really count liquor or beer because I don't believe they can qualify as enhancing your performance.
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contentmanager9 months, 3 weeks ago
When in the 1960's and 1970's ball players were required to take these drugs in order to play the game, should the player be penalized for the short-sightedness of their employer.
Modern-day fans seem to believe so. If your boss sat you down and told you that you needed to drink green tea to keep your job, should you later be penalized by your employer's governing body, for drinking green tea??
Most of our heroes of the 60s-70s would need to have their awards removed from the record books or asterisked to be fair to those who take the performance enhancing substances now and get penalized. But, they were told to drink the green tea to keep their jobs. Is that right?
It is estimated that 50% of all MLB players use performance enhancing drugs. So half of your modern-day heroes are losers too. How many of them got started drinking green tea, because their employer told them they needed to or suggested they should?
I've got more to say, so I will post again.
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orlando379 months, 2 weeks ago
how great would it be if they left Barry Bonds out of the hall of fame? then the hit king and the homerun king would be banished from the HOF. While we are at it we should include Clemens in this banishment and leave out one of the best RHP of all time
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